In my last post, I mentioned that we ducked into a dive bar in Blanchardville for a cocktail and a bite to eat. The most distinctive feature of Rachel & Ray’s was the ceiling tiles featuring historic black-and-white photos.

Yo, Ilsa Rey commented. That ain’t no dive bar, you lyin’ sack of [expletive].

OK, maybe she didn’t use those exact words. That bar doesn’t look much like a dive to me, is what she wrote. That ceiling and the chandelier…Hardly looked divy from that angle.

I get it. When I think “dive bar,” I picture something a lot grungier than that. Dim lighting, sticky tables, peeling paint. Tacky and borderline inappropriate decor. Scowling locals at the bar who probably want to murder me just for sport. The type of place where, should you ask for an olive with your drink, the bartender plunges her arm elbow-deep into the five-gallon jug to fish one out.

The type of place where olives come in five-gallon jugs, for that matter.

In other words, Bitz’s Outer Limits in Fort Atkinson. Very much a dive bar. And no, we have never been back.

But Rachel & Ray’s Pub & Grill is also a dive bar. Tara says so, and the internet backs her up. I think. Actually, according to Wikipedia, the precise definition of a dive bar is rarely agreed on, and is the subject of spirited debates.

Spirited. Ha! I hope that was pun-tentional.

In any case, a typical dive bar is small, unpretentious, and eclectic. It may feature inexpensive drinks, dated decor, dim lighting, neon beer signs, a limited food menu, local clientele, and an informal vibe. It does not advertise, provide parking, or have fancy signage.

Which pretty much sums up Rachel & Ray’s. Granted, it’s not as divey as some joints, but – ceiling that belongs on the National Register of Historic Places notwithstanding – it’s no supper club, either. Apparently, dive bar devotees (yes, they exist!) rate establishments on a sliding scale of divey-ness. The divey-est may be cash-only, with hand-written menus listing potato chips and microwaved popcorn taped to the wall, a dingy bathroom with a shower curtain instead of a door over the toilet stall, and a guy named Earl who has been parked at the same barstool since 1997.

Thankfully, Rachel & Ray’s is not that place…though I’ve gotta say, Bitz’s Outer Limits pretty much checks all those boxes.

Really, dive bars just have a certain vibe. If I’m even slightly apprehensive when I’m about to walk through the door for the first time (as I was on Saturday), then that’s my definition of a dive bar.

Honestly, Todd Dayton, author of San Francisco’s Best Dive Bars, said it best: “Dives are like pornography: hard to define but you know it when you see it.”

All I know is, I always have a blast. At dive bars, not with pornography! The best part of all? They don’t cost an arm and a leg. Unless you piss off Earl, and he decides to pull you into the back alley and break a few bones because you’re not from these here parts and he’s bored.

And since we’re on the subject, here’s a great song that metaphorically references dive bars.


Today has felt like the Longest Friday Ever.

This may be due to the fact that I was awakened at 4:30 a.m. by bright, flashing lights and a loud bass-like rumble. No, I didn’t fall asleep in a nightclub; it was Mother Nature putting on a show. And what a show it was! Multiple rounds of thunderstorms rolled through for the next three hours. Lots of lightning, heavy rain, and even a little hail. A sure sign of spring in the Midwest!

God, I love this time of year.

A few hours later, there wasn’t a cloud in the sky, and the temperature had climbed to 76°. I’m not sure I can handle the schizophrenia, so we won’t even mention that chance of snow Sunday night.

How often do you frequent dive bars? What characteristics to you use to define them? Do you love a good thunderstorm like I do?


62 responses to “Dive bars are like pornography.”

  1. I’m right there with you about the longest Friday ever… after the longest week ever. You said and I agree: Really, dive bars just have a certain vibe. Don’t I remember that from my younger days! Oh to be young again.

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    1. I never even set foot in a dive bar until I met Tara, so I got a late start to the whole scene. They are still very much a part of my life, even though I’m not-so-young now!

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  2. We were supposed to have an epic thunderstorm a few nights ago. Rolled right over the mountains and northward with only distant rumbles and flashes. Oh, and I don’t do bars in general so…but I do remember the one my dad always frequented- 2J’s in the middle of town. Oh and there’s still Wayne’s Inn just down the road from me on the border between towns. That place is older than me, and I am officially old. Can a dive bar start out as a dive bar? I think a true dive bar has to morph into existence over time, growing it’s persona of divey-ness.

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    1. They were forecasting severe thunderstorms in Portland too, so I warned my parents 24 hours in advance, told them to stay close to home, keep an eye on the sky, yadda yadda. They did…and it turned out to be a non-event.

      Better safe than sorry, right?

      Interesting question about whether a dive bar can start out that way! I think with the right mindset, it can. I’d bet my next paycheck Bitz’s Outer Limits was never anything but a dive bar.

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  3. Sawdust on the floor. Backless bar stools. Indent in the floor from where the cigarette machine was

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    1. The divey-est dive bars still have cigarette machines! Non-functioning, of course, but taking up space nonetheless.

      The hand-written menu is probably taped to the front.

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  4. If you’re not slightly afraid when you walk into the bar? It’s not a dive bar.
    Dive bars don’t have a “vibe”, and real ones are full of patrons who don’t know the meaning of the word eclectic. Dive bars are seedy, in questionable parts of town. They didn’t used to be hip, just cheap. And possibly inhabited by rats.
    😉

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    1. This is the expert opinion right here. I almost tagged you, in fact.

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      1. I know dive bars. The Portland waterfront was full of them before it became gentrified. Spent a lot of time with lobstermen and deep sea fishermen in my youth…. those men know dive bars.
        😉

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    2. However, I don’t think they have to be in questionable parts of town. Bitz’s Outer Limits is not, but it’s 110% a dive bar.

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      1. I’ve never known one in a respectable neighborhood…. but I suppose it’s possible.

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  5. I hung out in dive bars for 40 years I still wonder why they were called dive bars. Not a single one was near the beach, near a swimming pool and from the smell of most patrons not near a bathtub either.

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    1. You really made a splash with that comment, Carl!

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  6. dive bars are my absolute favorite! they have to be one of a kind, unpretentious, not trying hard, just are what they are, simple food, pour a good drink, locals, things don’t necessarily match, comfortable, music, bags of chips or nuts at the bar, easy, eccentric characters, so very much fun

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    1. Things not matching is a good one! Rachel & Ray’s had a random photo of Cousin Eddie alongside a velvet Elvis and an advertisement for fish fry bingo. Doesn’t get more eclectic than that!

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      1. That’s a perfect dive combo

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  7. I’m not sure I’ve ever been in a true dive bar although I’ve been in a few wanna-bes that try way too hard. I am very jealous of your thunderstorms. I don’t think we’ve had one here in several years. We did experience a few when we drove cross-country last year. So much fun (and scary).

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    1. Thunderstorms make me feel alive. Nothing will wake you up quicker either!

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  8. The bars in my town are mostly dive bars. We just call them taverns. 🙂

    The main ones are Bumpys, Waynes Inn and the former 2Js. I’ve been to them all and the only one that made me nervous was 2Js. Rough crowd.

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    1. Deb also mentioned 2Js. You two should hang out there together and then report back. That would make a great blog post!

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  9. How would you have felt if I had missed this one?!?! This is why you have to link to a specific post instead of to my blog in general. Then I get a pingback notification. I think Ally Bean wrote about that distinction some time ago. (Or some blogger. Scratching my head.) Anyway, anyone who knows me will also get a good laugh. I called Hubby over. He was like, “You said that?” No! Doesn’t the man not know me?!

    Anyhow, continuing to read now.

    plunges her arm elbow-deep into the five-gallon jug“–I totally remember that story. Also, your descrip of the dive bar was awesome.

    “Spirited.” I approve.

    Doesn’t provide parking? Sheesh.

    and a guy named Earl who has been parked at the same barstool since 1997.—LOL! You were only missing mention of his behind sagging over the top of the barstool.

    Good stuff. I’m honored to have inspired this post. 🙂

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    1. I had no idea you had to link to a specific post to get a notification. I’m pretty new to this whole blogging thing, so forgive my learning curve.

      Gravity pulls Earl’s butt closer to the floor with each passing year. At some point the two become one.

      Thank you for the inspiration!

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      1. “New to blogging”! Lol! Suuuuuurreeeee, Mark. Suuuuurrrreeeee. #TheMoreYouKnow!

        That’s much better re: Earl. Thank you. 🙂

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  10. I love a good thunderstorm! It’s electric!!!

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    1. Hopefully not so electric it zaps you!

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  11. Simple food, cold drinks, local crowd open to others, and decent prices. Love it!

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    1. That’s all it takes to make me happy!

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  12. I’ve ridden to dive bars all over western North America. It’s all about the vibe. For many years, it was my favorite hobby. A dive doesn’t have to be unkempt and filthy, it’s just the vibe. We got very skilled at recognizing them.

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    1. Totally agree with you. The vibe is the most important thing of all! Maybe you should write a book like Todd Dayton did.

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      1. Nah. It’d be pretty boring. Well, except for the good parts. 🙂

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  13. Being that I gave up drinking…never. But I will say when I was dating my wife we went to a dive bar in Whitehaven, Pa called Hannah’s Ugly Mug. Shit kickin’ tatto’d waitresses, rowdy bikers and the best damn burger I ever had. A shame, they shuttered the following year 😔

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    1. You can still go to dive bars; just stick to Shirley Temples!

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      1. Pffft hell naw I’m drinking a shirley temple in a dive bar

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  14. I went to plenty of dive bars in college. Zero food, no wine (just beer and liquor) and motorcycles parked out front. That’s a true dive bar! I’ve been to two local ones in the past 20 years and I do not need to go again.

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    1. I have found that the dive bars with motorcycles parked out front tend to be my least favorite.

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  15. I’ve never been to a dive bar. I’m pretty sure I’ve been to a dive pizza joint, though.

    I have a mixed history with thunderstorms. I used to be terrified of storms – and then I had kids. Once our oldest son was born, I realized I couldn’t let that fear rule me, or he would learn to be afraid as well. Whenever a storm would come along, I would pretend not to be terrified. After a few years of this, I realized I really wasn’t scared anymore. Now I love a good thunderstorm.

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    1. I probably should be more afraid of thunderstorms than I am, ’cause I’m the guy standing outside taking photos while lightning is flashing all around me. Not wise.

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  16. I saw that comment from Ilsa and she’s so right. Dive bars are not my scene–I don’t drink and no woman wants to be any more apprehensive in an establishment that serves alcohol, especially to white men. Except maybe Ilsa and her martial arts friends, who are looking for a place to test their techniques in real life. I’d go with her!

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    1. You’d be totally welcome to join us, Autumn! 😉 🙂

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    2. If this is a group outing sign me up too!

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      1. Right after the book launch party.

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  17. Thank you for diving in to this hot topic. For me the word that resonates most is local. Love your description of the apprehension before opening the door. Yep!

    Hope the weather makes up its mind and settles on sunny and 70! Have a great weekend — and I know you will!

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    1. I’m always afraid the locals at the bar are all going to turn their heads in unison and stare at us outsiders when we first walk in. Which has never once happened, but there’s always a first!

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  18. During my University years, I would visit friends in various sparsely populated areas of the Canadian prairies, and those small towns always had a bar teetering on bankruptcy. Few of them still exist, I suspect, but when you say “dive bar” I picture those smoke-stained haunts. They always featured small round tables with red terry cloth table covers attached by elastics. Often there was a giant jar of (fizzing) pickled eggs on the bar, a small checkerboard dancefloor, and a grizzled old man who would stare at us. In other words, they were hilarious and fun. (Thanks for reminding me.)

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    1. They sound fun! And I still occasionally see jars of pickled eggs in dive bars around here. I’ve never had one (and doubt I will ever feel inclined), but it’s nice to know that some things never change.

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  19. Hi Mark! I was just reminded of those cool vintage Hamm’s Beer ripple motion signs. Do you ever see them? They used to be in all the best places in WI

    Carol

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    1. Hi, Carol! I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Hamm’s Beer signs here and there. I’ll be on the lookout to confirm for sure!

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  20. I’m not much of a bar-goer of any kind, but I do like most thunderstorms. We have rain here in MN now that is supposed to turn into that snow you mentioned. March is so bipolar here, as you well know.

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    1. We’ve had more thunderstorms this morning. I’m loving it! Any snow we might get tonight isn’t going to amount to much, it sounds like.

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      1. True, but when you were just in Mexico 24 hours ago, even a single flake is an affront.

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      2. Talk about reality intruding with a slap in the face!

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  21. I do not go to dive bars. I try not to go to bars at all. They make me uncomfortable. However, I do love a dingy diner with cracked red vinyl booths. Can’t go wrong with a reuben and a milkshake at one of those fine establishments.

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    1. I hardly ever set foot in bars before meeting Tara for the same reason, but it sure can be fun now! I love diners too, and you nailed it with your description. Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever seen red vinyl that wasn’t cracked…

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  22. You’ve referenced dive bars before and I assumed they were a particular American phenomena. We have shady pubs which, from that formal description, come close – although toilet facilities involving a shower curtain would ensure they got shut down by the health & safety police as the UK is small enough that there’s no place to hide from them.

    You do great blog titles, but that one may be one of your best yet!

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    1. Shady pubs do sound similar to dive bars, and I love the name! To be fair, I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen a shower curtain over a toilet stall (though I have seen toilet stalls without doors).

      Anything that includes a reference to pornography in the title is going to make people curious!

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  23. What’s funny is that since my dad died, my mom and I have been going to lunch with friends who always choose bars for meals. We’ve known them for decades—they were our former neighbors. The wife/mom grew up in southern Illinois, where her parents owned a bar, so she and her husband love going to bars for lunch and dinner.

    We’ve been meeting up at bars throughtout northern Illinois and southern Wisconsin, and it’s been a lot of fun. We haven’t hit a true dive bar yet, but I’m pretty sure I’ll know it when I see it. 🤣

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    1. Not only do I prefer bars over most restaurants, but – like Rivergirl’s hubby – I enjoy sitting the bar instead of grabbing a table. Service is much quicker that way!

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  24. We don’t frequent bars, so I’ve not been to a Dive Bar in at least 20 years. BUT, the Coach and I, in our early dating met up at one weekly; it was dimly lit, loud with live music, smelled like stale beer and had lot’s of pool tables. The kind of place you’d not like to see in the light of day, as you’d see all the grunge.

    LOVE the lighting storm too!

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    1. Stale beer scent and pool tables: two more signs of a true dive bar! Or a cleaning crew that’s half-assing it.

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  25. […] Google rating. Score! And instead of a fancy supper club dinner, we’re just going to find a dive bar and park it for a few hours. “We always have the most fun doing that!” Tara said, and […]

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